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Tom Lauten
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:38 pm
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Hi all.

Right, I have a brand new Esky 3 in 1 unit, an Orange and a a 6200e Rx but I can NOT get the tail rotor to respond to any input from my DX6i. Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh! I'm going insane. It responded once but when the rudder lead was plugged not the gear slot and I can't even get that to repeat itself! I can't even work out which servo lead goes to which port on the Rx apart from the throttle and rudder...but even there I'm not confident anymore.

Does ANYONE know where I can get a comprehensive breakdown of all the settings I should need for my DX6i to have the basics working! I'm so confused now it feels hopeless. I have all new components and all the connectors, Kit, tools and I know this can be done as a drop in mod...I have however become clueless and lost. Can someone PLEASE help?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:04 pm
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Hi Tom,

Here's a couple of links that may help,
#1 Spectrum DX6i manual
https://www.spektrumrc.com/ProdInfo/Files/SPM6600-Manual_DX6i.pdf

#2 an article about Lama V3/V4 electronic inner life - EK2-0705B
in which the author discusses the 3-in-1 board etc...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1010637

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:33 am
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Couple of bits that may help you Tom. Did this years back with my Big Lama. You'll have to download them-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tj26aedzi2jweun/DX6i-1.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/eioqxw3nxfuy4e3/DualRates.pdf?dl=0

Now a couple of text files. Not in DropBox:

Spektrum DX6i & the Big Lama.

Problem:
Fitting an Orange DSM2 compatible Rx into my Big Lama, I find that the throttle will not drive the motors.

With the rudder unplugged it would drive the servos, but connecting the rudder killed motor output.

The spektrum Rx via the DX6i in Heli mode, may handle the timing of the rudder channel as a gyro input. I mixed the rudder into the gyro gain channel, and it worked perfectly.

Values in MIX 1 are:
RUDD-> GYRO ACT
RATE D +100% U +100%
SW ON RATE INH

The other thing on the bind is to give an extra 10 sec after the RX bind LED has gone solid. This seems to aid the arming of the 3-in-1.

To reduce the chance of blade strikes I set AILE & ELEV D/Rs to 85% on both rate 1 & 0 RUDD stays at 100% & INH.

To give a B 400 like feel in static hover I set RATE 0 AILE & ELEV EXPO to -20%.

For a relaxing indoor 'Stock type' flight I set RATE 1 AILE & ELEV EXPO to +10%.

SETTING "PROP POT" TO CANCEL TURN.

To cancel turn, turn pot in direction of turn.
i.e. Pot turn viewed from side = heli turn viewed from top.
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My DX6i settings for the Big Lama with the 'Orange' Rx.

On 'SETUP LIST'

Set MODEL TYPE to 'Heli'

MODEL NAME - set as you wish

REVERSE - ELEV & GYRO = 'R'; rest = 'N' (Now ELEV=N - servo changed)

SWASH TYPE = 1 servo 90º

THRO CUT = INH

D/R COMBI = D/R SWITCH: ELEV (as in the PDF on this)

TIMER (I set) DOWN TIMER-08:00 SWITCH---THR CUT (but your choice here)
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Now 'ADJUST LIST'

D/R&EXPO (as per PDF)
Pos '0' AILE 85% - 20%; ELEV 85% - 20%, RUDD 100% INH
Pos '1' AILE 85% + 10%; ELEV 85% + 10%, RUDD 100% INH

TRAVEL ADJUST
THRO 100%; ELEV 80% (up&down); GYRO 100%;
AILE 80% (both ways); RUDD 100% (both ways); PITCH 100% (both ways)

SUB TRIM = ZERO All

GYRO Rate 1 = 50%; Rate 2 = 47.5%
Lower rate gives left trim for end-of-run lower battery power.

THRO CURVE
NORM L = 0.0%; 2 = 36.0%; 3 = 62.0%; 4 = 83.5%; H = 100.0%
HOLD = 0.0% for all

PITC CUR (Not used - just leave it)

SWASH MIX = INHIBIT

MIX 1 (As per PDF)
RUDD -> GYRO ACT; RATE D +100.0%; U +100.0%, SW ON; TRIM INH

MIX 2 = INHIBIT

REVO MIX all 0.0%
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I think that covers it! Hope it helps and I've got the right thing here.

Tom.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:16 am
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Thanks so much guys. I will try your set ups out ASAP Tom, seems like I had done all this already but I will go through it again setting by setting. I will let you know!
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Oh yes Tom, owing to the rudder to gyro mix, did you plug in the rudder lead into the gyro port on the RX? I assume so. All the other leads plugged into where they "should be"?
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:34 pm
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Hi Tom,

No not to the rudder or gyro - goes to "Gear" see here:

I know it looks odd but that's the connection. All due to the TX mixing!

You can download a ZIP of all my BL bits here.

Hope this helps, it's all that I've got on it. Still got the model in flying condition though.

Tom.
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Thanks again Tom. That looks insane enough that it might just work. I remember you helping me set up my BOL this way in the past so it must have worked. Same TX, RX and 3 in1, no other electronics so it kinda HAS to work... Confused ...famous last words I know. Hahaha.
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Hi Tom,

I always was a bit out of sync with the main stream, keeps you semi-sane in a nutty world, but if it works - great.

Best of luck and keep in touch Very Happy ,

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Woo Hoo! Finally got it. Thanks for the straight scoop Tom. Photos helped a lot as well re lead positioning and orientation. DX6i set up also helped. I was just a couple of minor settings off the right stuff but it finally fell into place. Now all I have to do is get that monstrosity of a set of blades to track right and I can start crashing....flying. Those blades are so wobbly and off...they suck. Maybe I'll just put on the Xtreme set I have and forget those stock horrors.
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OMG that's better! Actually tracked the Xtremes blades as was off the ground 1st try! Just have to adjust the proportional and gain and find the sweet spot with the expo and I'm done. Yay DX6i!
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Great news Tom, so glad to be able to help. Very Happy

Smooth flights, Laughing

Tom.
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Well the only difficulty I have now is spares! The HBFP is so yesterday's news, no one has stock of parts anymore. Blade grips are no longer available in the UK and I just broke a ball off of the one I had.

I've had to order a full set of Xtreme alloy upgrades from Germany as they were one of the few places that still had stock of those just to keep in the air. I even bought a total of 6 main shafts because at some point in the very near future these birds will be historical artifacts.

It seems that unless one wants full-on microprocessor controlled helicopters you are going to be out of a hobby. Personally, I still love my little MSR and 120sr...they're GREAT and so "hands-on simple".

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Hi Tom, what is a HBFP helicopter, can you post a photo?
Have a look at this site
http://www.rcbazaar.com/category.aspx?categoryid=34

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HBFP = Honey Bee Fixed Pitch, in my case a Honey Bee V2

It's an old design by today's fast moving technological and commercial pace so no spares to speak of anymore.

If you want anything close to this model now perhaps something like the Wltoys V912 or V913 are the closest. My 912 flys tame but rock solid. No over the counter spares for those either, mostly from China and electrical quality is hit and miss...structurally they are pretty robust though. Stuck mine into a Twister Blackhawk body and I have to say it is a lot of fun.

I'm beginning to wonder if a decent set of motors and a 4 in 1 into a V912 or V913 bound to a DX6i isn't a better way to go than trying to find the hens teeth of Honey Bee parts nowadays.
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Hi Tom, doh of course it is, the reason for asking there is this site in Europe do spares for older helis

http://rc4me.nl/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=77&zenid=58fa4adca45e174e773e6ffd5f0d2ea5

also this one
http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/RC-Helicopter-Spares/ESky-Spares/ESky-Honey-Bee-V2-Spares__c-p-0-0-72-250-138.aspx

also try this one
http://www.helipal.com


I'm thinking a small 3D printer and small CNC might be worth considering.

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