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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:22 am
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Couldn't pass it up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141679266332?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It arrived today. I've been leveling the swash plate and going through the rotor section this morning. I'm setting it up on the Flysky because that was what he was using on the simulator. I know he'll want to fly it first rather than go through it. I'm sure we'll be disassembling it though after the first flight and going through the software. Who knows, maybe I can convince him to join the group and learn the hobby on his own a bit.
If anyone can identify the model and approximate age it would greatly appreciated in the event it needs specific parts such as the tail boom holder.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:53 am
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Good idea,

Nothing like starting them off by fixing their own mistakes, makes them more careful in the future.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:14 am
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Plus 1 there Tom
I would add learning about how the power train works and getting into a sound LiPO care regime.

Mark try this link:-
http://www.rc-bargains.co.uk/helicopter-spares-align-c-112_113.html

All the different versions are listed, and they provide download pdf manuals too.

It looks like an Align Trex 450 SE, -lots of parts with ‘Align' on them- the tail box looks to be the later HS1108-78 as opposed to the HS1108.
Trex 450SE and 450SEV2 parts will fit, so too will clone parts but their finish is not as good as genuine Align parts (nor as expensive).



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Has anyone had any experiences with the Jr ring gyro?
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Is it the JRPG500T, if so here's a link for the pgf manual

http://www.jramericas.com/manuals/jrpg500t-manual.pdf




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Yes, I have that info. The esc is a castle creations Phoenix 35. It too is doing what an Align esc was doing in that at bottom stick it is at 25% throttle when the throttle hold switch is deactivated. I did the same esc calibration as the Align but no change. I have the .pdf file for it but am unable to get it to go into the calibration mode. I've reached out to the seller to see if he may have any insight as to what is going on with it.
If worse comes to worse I'll use the Align esc off the Hausler to get him going on his birthday. I sure do seem to have some strange issues when it comes to escs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:03 am
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Hi Mark,
Do you have the ESC manual
http://www.castlecreations.com/products/phoenix-35.html


Just had a look at the Phoenix manual and it has an odd initialization procedure.

USING YOUR PHOENIX
You must follow this initialization sequence before the motor will operate.
1.
Ensure that the Phoenix is connected to the proper channel on your receiver.
2.
Turn your transmitter ON and set the throttle stick to mid throttle.
3.
Connect the main power battery to the speed controller.
The speed controller will remain disarmed and will not operate the motor until it sees zero throttle.
4.
When you are ready to fly, move the throttle stick to the lowest position on your transmitter.
The Phoenix will beep the motor to indicate that it is armed.
The Phoenix will not provide any power to the motor, regardless of where the throttle stick on your transmitter is positioned when first powered up. You must move the throttle stick to its lowest position to arm and use the Phoenix.



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:32 pm
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Yes that is what I have. As I stated earlier I've not been able to get it into programming mode to verify the settings. If you open the users guide .pdf file, I can't get past 1C in the programming set up. I'm going to give them a call later today.
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Technical support in this case turned out to be a contradiction in term. The only info I could pull out of him was that I need to buy a $25 usb link to get into the helicopter settings. Oh well looks like an Align for Sunday.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:21 am
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Mark,
I can understand the urgency in what your trying to do.

Hook-up the Align ESC and get the heli ready to fly on Monday.

That way you can take your time sorting out that Castle ESC.

This is what the instructions says bottom of page 5

THE FOLLOWING ARE FOR HELICOPTER APPLICATIONS
ONLY
We highly recommend programming your ESC using the Castle
Link USB Programming Kit to gain access to advanced helicopter
settings that are not accessible with throttle programming.


However, in view of the ESC being on the heli, then it has probably been programmed for heli use.

What I'd posted earlier is the initialization procedure for every flight, rather than the programming procedure.

Go through step 1B

1B Connect battery power to the Phoenix ESC. The Phoenix ESC will beep its initialization tones when first plugged in. After a short period of time the Phoenix ESC will emit another short tone and the LED on the Phoenix ESC should flash a short, single flash that repeats. If the ESC flashes continuously it is not seeing a full throttle position. Move your throttle trim to the top position or increase your full throttle endpoint or ATV on your transmitter.

If the ESC has emitted initialization tones followed by the first tone for entering the menu, move the stick downwards slowly you may need to go lower than the mid point on the Flysky transmitter.

Some ESCs can be a bit awkward.

Try using your Spectrum DX6i TX/RX, and see if you can gain access to the programming menu, if so hopefully you can, then you'll be able to verify/set menu items. Then all remains is to get the Flysky TX to register full throttle range.

I would back-off the motor to disengage the pinion from the main gear and secure the screws, that way you can try the throttle and get motor response with no danger of the main rotor spinning up.





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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:46 pm
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When I do get into the programming mode. What would be your recommendations for the set up?
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Setting 1A: -Cutoff Voltage
Option: 1
Auto-LiPo detects LiPo cell count, and sets 3.2v/cell cutoff voltage.


Setting 2: -Current Limiting
Option: 3
Normal Factory setting


Setting 3: -Brake Type
Option: 5
Brake Disabled


Setting 4 – Throttle Type
Options: 2
"For...collective pitch helicopters using a manually created and tuned pitch and throttle curve on your transmitter. This mode uses normally
accepted TX throttle endpoints; some TX throttle signals are outside these values. Use auto calibrating throttle for those setups."


Setting 5: -Electronic Timing Advance
Option: 3
May slightly decrease RPM and current draw, and will give longer runtime and a cooler motor and batteries. This is the preferred setting for outrunner motors.


Setting 6: -Low Voltage Cutoff Type
Option: 2 Soft Cut Off
the Phoenix ESC ramps down the throttle to safely maintain the battery voltage at the programmed cutoff level. Very useful for 3D flying, indoor flying, all helicopters, and most any sport flying where you do not want the motor to turn off when the low voltage cutoff is reached.


Setting 7: -Soft Start
Option 2: Soft Start medium spool up. This is the FACTORY setting.


Setting 8: -PWM Switching Rate.
Option 4: Outrunner Mode




If the motor doesn't shut down completely try adjusting the Sub-Trim and or the End Points for the Throttle channel.


Seeing how your now into RC helicopters in a serious way, you'll need a Watts meter

http://www.4-max.co.uk/wattmeter-budget.htm

Using the reading from this meter you can fine tune the throttle and pitch curves to optimize the power train.




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Now I'm really in a jam. I installed the Align ESC and guess what? Still have the issue when I close the throttle cut switch. I did the ESC calibration we spoke of before (Throttle cut off, transmitter trim-0, collective 100%, power up, get alarm, set throttle back to 0, get alarm, disconnect battery, throttle cut on) check t6 software, still 25% when throttle cut switch is opened. Heli does not spin up until you increase collective slightly but will not stop when put back to zero. This tells me ...Hold on a minute.
I'm back
I just installed my Flysky2 file that I use on the Hausler into this receiver to see what the throttle showed. It was still 25%
However, after reloading my Kalob file into receiver I now have 40% throttle when closing the throttle cut switch. I'm thinking we have a software issue not an esc issue
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Mark what time are you on now here it's 18:31hrs

First, Where are you reading those percentages 25% and 40%

When you hook-up the computer, are you going through this procedure:

Launch T6CONFIG
Connect lead to transmitter,
Connect to USB port
Switch on transmitter

Click on Settings, then choose the COM port;
Click on GetUser,
Click on Open, then open file.

Throttle at bottom-stick
Trim tab at bottom
Sub-trim at 0%
Throttle curve EP0 at 0%

Looking at the CH3 green meter in T6CONFIG
with the throttle hold on
there should be little or no black bar showing
With Throttle Hold off the black bar should be in between the two lines towards the left end of the meter.



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When you open your T6CONFIG file, are all the other settings as you had programmed them?

Here's T6CONFIG
Throttle hold ON


Throttle Hold OFF


If the receiver is not retaining program flashing, try to rebind the receiver.


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