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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:11 pm
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Howdy from SC
I'm sure everyone here has heard this before but I would like to know some more about batteries. Like what does 15C and 1C and stuff like that mean. Heck an old fart like me I'm doing good to check email and get it right. I tried to send a picture the other day and ended up sending it to myself. Go figure. I get the mah part. The higher the number the longer it will last. Oh well. Thank you for the help folks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:54 pm
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Hi Tom,

Betcha it is warmer in SC than it is here in NH where it is currently 4 degrees!

Anyways here is a web site that gives a good overview of LiPo batteries and chargers in addition to other information related to this hobby.

Battery Info
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html

Main Site
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:48 pm
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Tony.....
OT...but.....did you ever get down to Concord to the Rt. 106 Hobby Shop??
if so.....what'd ya think???
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:44 pm
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Thanks Guys
I just want to know a little more about these little batteries. I'm use to working with my solar panel batteries but these are a whole new animal. What I'd like to do is be able to charge off my 12 volt system here in the house. Or in the field. Somebody probably makes one you can buy. I can always use the inverter oto plug into but the inverter uses battery power so I try to stay on 12 volt. Oh yeah it's 54 degrees and suppose to be 64 today but it's cold and rainy out so I'm staing in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:14 pm
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YoTony,
That was a great article on the care and feeding of lio batteries. Thank you very much.
Tom
Just went back to re-read the article. The C rating really blows my mind but I'll get my pea brain wrapped around it sooner or later. Thanks again for the link to the article.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:38 am
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Hey Tom,

No problem, located on that web site is also a page explaining the various chargers / balance systems available for charging these new generation of batteries.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:30 pm
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carr52 wrote:
Howdy from SC
I'm sure everyone here has heard this before but I would like to know some more about batteries. Like what does 15C and 1C and stuff like that mean. Heck an old fart like me I'm doing good to check email and get it right. I tried to send a picture the other day and ended up sending it to myself. Go figure. I get the mah part. The higher the number the longer it will last. Oh well. Thank you for the help folks.
Tom


Not quite ...

S = Voltage by cell count. ie 2S = 7.4V, 3S = 11.1V, 4S = 14.8V ... based on nominal voltage per cell.
P = how many cells in Parallel ... usually most of use 1P - that is all cells are in series.
mAh = storage capacity of the pack and this determines run time based on amps draw of load.
C = This is a combination number of charge / discharge amps against capacity and ghives the maximum amps pack can do without terminal damage ... ie lets take a standard 450 pack .. 3S 1P 2200mAh 30C

This then gives a 3 cell 11.1V, no parrallel cells, 2200mAh capacity and 30C discharge rating. The max amps it can supply in theory is :

30 x 2200/1000 = 66Amps .... for short burst. ....

Yes - I know why can't they just keep it simple !!

For charging - I always look at the capacity of the pack, here it is 2200mAh which is same as 2.2A/hr ... so a safe charge rate is 2.2A, at the S size of 11.1V.

You can in theory charge at much higher rate - but that a) gives less overall charge and capacity, b) can shorten life of the pack. But is useful on the field if you want one last flight out of a pack ....

I'm no expert on LiPo ... and I'm sure another will correct or add to what I put here ...

My advice to anyone starting with LiPo ... get a reasonable charger such as the B6 or similar ... it takes all the guesswork out of these packs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:26 pm
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Thanks folks, so from what I get from all this information is a slower longer charge is better and LiPo batteries are easy to ruinif you dont treat them right. I know they aint cheap so you can bet I'm gonna treat mine with love and care. Thanks again everyone for the help.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:51 am
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I was wondering if anyone knew a good site to buy batteries for the mcx and the msrx. A lot of places have them on back order or not at all. Thanks all.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:12 pm
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This is all I can find currently:

http://www.rcplanet.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VNR1584&click=107101&Click=106800&gdftrk=gdfV23720_a_7c1734_a_7c7524_a_7cVNR1584

E-Flite has their own 150mAh, 25C batteries out now too, but they never seem to be in stock lately.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:10 pm
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Thats great. Thanks Nick. These things are hard to find at a decent price. Thanks again. Now I just need to find a charger that can charge more than one at a time. E-flite use to include a 4 port charger in the msr original. I might have to make a run back into the city to the hobby shop. Hate going into town.
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Good morning all. Was just charging an eflite battery on the usb charger and decided to stop and check the voltage on it. The light hadn't gone out on the cable yet to show it being done but checked anyway. Tester showed 4.5 volts. That can't be good for the battery can it? Voltage that high I mean.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:47 am
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No way should it be that high Tom. 4.2V max is the correct high charge level.

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Howdy folks, Tom here. Not that I dont believe the manual but I'm the curious type. Some youtubers say to charge your batteries at 0.3 amp if it's a 200 mah battery. The manual for the MCPX says to set it at 0.7 for the 200 mah. I understand "normal" batteries but lipo batteries are different. What a good setting to use so as not to hurt the battery. Thanks.

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a 200 mha charge @ .2. A 1800 mha charge @ 1.8.

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