Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:53 am Post subject:
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One last thing. I notice you don't have counter weighted tail blade grips. I highly recomend getting them ASAP. Search YouTube for "Chinese weight mod" and you'll see what it is. I myself have them on all my Align helis and would never fly without em. You can mod the grips yourself or get 450 Pro or Sport grips.
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 892 Location: USA, N.J., Middlesex county
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject:
Whew.... That was a close one. Good thing for training gear, it just saved you from a tipover crash. I've had two lucky saves, one was a belt that snaped at 3' up but got her down in one piece thanks to throttle hold(I never oiled that belt ). Other one was when an elev servo jamed when I tried to lift off. Had that happen if the air there would be no saving it. Sometimes the Heli Gods do smile down upon us.
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject:
Haha, yes, the Gods do have their little games don't they? I think they got tired of having sore stomachs from laffin' so hard at me that they decided to give me a break ...for now. I was toying with the idea of takin' off my trainin' gear but think I will wait a bit longer, If I can get good with all that crap on the heli then hopefully when it comes off the heli will fly like a dream.
Oh yea, I saw your Chinese Weight mod thing, ..hey, I will try anything to make the tail more steady, I dont have a drill press, and will need to order the rotor with the weights already on, so, for right now I put in a longer screw with a nut on each side of the grip, just to see if any difference...
I know it isn't possible to fly hands free but...I have to constantly have pressure on the rudder (Left Stick), I have to ALWAYS have some pressure pushing right on the stick to keep it straight...that really isn't normal is it? It isn't on the Sim...I can actully relax my thumb and not apply pressure constantly, sure, I have to every once in a while to correct for drift but dang, here in live mode I have to concentrate too much on the tail and it is screwing up my concentration on the right stick...IF this is normal then so be it, I will learn, but..if that is the case then the Sim is screwin' me up by not teachin' me the real story.
Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 1380 Location: Redding, Northern Calif.
Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject:
The chinese tail weight mod it for taking a load off the tail servo. It does not make the heli more stable or do anything else.
By adding mass to the base of the tail grips, it takes less torque to rotate the grips while spinning around.
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 892 Location: USA, N.J., Middlesex county
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:39 am Post subject:
Definitely not normal to have to correct the tail drifting all the time. Gyros in general don't behave well when outside forces (vibration) act upon them. I had all sorts of tail issues when I first built my Rex 500. I installed the gyro on the gyro tray, as per instructions, nothing but problems. Then on advice about vibration issues mounting it there I moved it to the top of the boom block and BaDaBING, no more problems. Almost the exact same issue with my 250 but fixing the gyro tray tabs with CA fixes that.
Trouble; could be your setup is fine just the way it is, but the heli just wasn't designed to carry the training gear. Just think about the added vibration the HollaHoop adds Keep the training gear on for now... But when the day comes that you take it off you'll find you have a totally new and Better heli to fly. Good Luck & stick with it, you're almost there!
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject:
Crashagain,...ok, I got it now, just to take some load offa the servo, but that is a good thing I suspect...? So, overall it doesn't hurt to have the added weight...? exact same size screws, exact same nuts, exact same positions on the holders so it is balanced right, I see no added vibration.
DT,...I know the heli doesn't like the training gear, lmao, it has told me that in my dreams,...sad when all I dream of is flyin' the damn heli instead of girls....I did a lil' flyin' yesterday to see if the CWM (Chinese Weight Mod) did anything for it, and I just did it real quick with the TG (Training Gear) off, and I did pretty good, scary though, I just am soo tired of repairing,...I know repairs are just part of the deal with helis but not after every single flight!!!...Which has been the case up to now, I haven't had any bad repair bills since that video I put up...*knock on wood*...just some tail dmg which is very small and only takes a min to fix. Anyhoo, it was scary cuz all I could think about is..."bad landing = lotsa broken s*** which = lotsa wasted time and money," but, I did land ok, if wasn't for grass I wuuda had no repairs, overall I guess concrete is better.
I think I mighta been tryin' to fly in the wrong "Mode", Lessee if I can get it right, RATE mode is 0-50% in the Gyro settings and HH is 50-100%,...In RATE the tail slider moves back to center when you release pressure on the stick...
In HH mode the tail Slider stays where you put it...
I should be hovering in HH mode...? I have been in Rate, where it was 62.0% or 69.0%..NO, wait,...crap, I am so freakin' confused right now...lmao
I have been flyin in the mode where the slider moves to center if stick is released, (no pressure on it from my fingers.) And the Gyro had 2 settings, 62.0% and 69.0%.
I now have 25.0% and 62.0%, GRRRR...crap all mighty, I'm gonna go outside and see which is better for hovering, gonna use the training gear though...just in case. Be back in a bit.
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:19 am Post subject:
LIFE IS GREAT!!!
My problem was that I was trying to fly in HH mode, ...haven't quit got it all figured out yet, lol, all I really know is 25.0% in the gyro setting is pretty dang cool! Can't wait til the ol' lady goes to school in a few minutes so I can go outside and burn up all my Batts trying this new mode out! Will get a vid on it even if I have to tape the camera to my head!
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:53 am Post subject:
HEHE, not a bad idea PJ, I really don't have a real video camera, this is a regular camera that can take like 2 minutes of video, never had a need for a real vid camera,...'til now. Oh, btw, forget what I said 'bout flyin' in RATE mode, just pretend I never said it...lol. But., did make a couple of new vids of my hovering....
Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 1380 Location: Redding, Northern Calif.
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:40 am Post subject:
Trouble wrote:
LIFE IS GREAT!!!
My problem was that I was trying to fly in HH mode
You should be flying in HH mode. In rate mode the tail will hold if you have it set up, but if any outside influence hits the tail, it will move and you will have to correct for it. In HH mode the tail will stay put. If some wind hits the tail it will not move.
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:48 am Post subject:
Hiya CA....sigh...yes, you are so right...it took me all day but I finally understand RATE and HH.... Just pretend I never said anything like that.... what a dummy....lmao. Right now my gain is 85.0%,(that might be hi, but I am just experimenting) no wag, easy to hold the tail, but...if I do let go the tail will swing right really bad, so.. it ain't right, I just don't know what to do tho...Do you think that thing you were talking about ...about moving the Servo up and down the boom will fix that?
Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 1380 Location: Redding, Northern Calif.
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject:
OK, here is how you do it in rate mode.
After you hover, turn on throttle hold and move the rudder to the point you had it in a hover and look at the tail blades to see how far you need to move the servo. leaving the gyro in rate mode and everything on, loosen the mount and slide the servo till the tail blades look like they did a minute ago.
Shut everything down and turn it all back on again. Hover again and check the tail. When you can leave the rudder alone and it barely drifts, ever so slightly, your good. Put it in HH mode and go fly.
Here is another setup vid of your gyro. I have used her vids before, very informative.
Joined: 12 Aug 2010 Posts: 910 Location: Galveston, Texas
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject:
Ok! Yep, I can understand those instructions u just now gave much better!
Hehe, i'm not kidding when I say I need instructions like you would give to a 3 yr old... but, it's getting better, I know what to do now though, THANKS AGAIN!!!!
Yes, I have seen her b4, and this vid, my Servo horn is exactly like hers.
She is good.
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). Other one was when an elev servo jamed when I tried to lift off. Had that happen if the air there would be no saving it. Sometimes the Heli Gods do smile down upon us.
