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Burgess
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:10 pm
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Hello enemra and welcome to the forum.

I notice that you've asked the same question over at
rctech.net on their vintage-forum section.

Here's a link to Ikarus the people there ought to have the tech info about both motors that you need.

http://www.ikarus.net/en/kontakt-de/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:56 pm
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Burgess wrote:
Hello enemra and welcome to the forum.

I notice that you've asked the same question over at
rctech.net on their vintage-forum section.

Here's a link to Ikarus the people there ought to have the tech info about both motors that you need.

http://www.ikarus.net/en/kontakt-de/


Thanks.

I already sent a mail to Ikarus (the same link you provided) and they said that they do not have any information on that motor. Funny Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:42 am
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Hi Folks,

Just a guess, but that looks like a brushed motor, in which case I would say 3 cell sounds about right. Basing that on the 12C rating 1320mAh Li-Po battery recommended.

That's the usual sort of voltage required on that spec. Just a well informed guess, don't blame me if it blows up!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:54 am
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I've had another trawl for info on those motors but no luck, so here's an alternative to determine the volts and amps from each motor it self.

Here's two videos on youttube,
#1 How to determine motor voltage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN_WMMyOy7c
#2 How to Determine DC Motor Current/Amp Draw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFE-NkzR-k

The G-410 will probably be the more powerful of the two motors. Even so, it will not really be powerful enough for a 450 class helicopter.
Is there some reason as to why you wish not to use any of the available DC ESCs on the market, or to use a brushless power train?

Both those DC motors will have a finite working life duration and the brushes will ware away to nothing and end of life for the motor.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:15 am
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I'm with Burgess on this one, I hadn't noticed the 450 class heli part. The 410 motor is more suited to driving just one rotor of a largish coaxial heli. (e.g. The metal Sky King!) It's for sure that a 12C battery is not powerful enough for a 450, it will overheat but the motor burning out may save it first!

Good luck,

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:51 am
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Thanks to Tom and Burgess.

@Tom: Your previous post ("12C rating 1320mAh Li-Po battery recommended") makes sense.

It's mentioned here: http://www.rotory.com/fbbuploads/1171805913-piccolopro.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:24 am
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Good link that Enemra,

The Piccolo Pro is a micro heli with a main rotor span of 540mm, the 450 will have a main rotor span of more than 700mm that will take a lot more power to drive and your 410 motor will not do it. It would be like trying to put a scooter motor into an 18 wheeler, you could do it but it's not going anywhere.

You will need something like this to get it off the ground:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2835mm-3700KV-Brushless-Motor-for-Align-Trex-450-RC-Remote-Helicopter-Heli-S-/311619331571

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:18 am
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Here's some suggestions for a power train, these components are reasonably priced.

This motor runs really well with a relatively low current draw

Turnigy Typhoon 2215H Brushless 450-Size Heli Motor 3550kv £9.50

Specifications:
Dimension: 35mm x 28mm, 51mm(with shaft)
Weight: 63g (kv3550) (not including connectors)
Voltage: 2-4S
Max current: 20~28A
Diameter of shaft:3.17mm
Length of front shaft:16mm
ESC: 40A
Turnigy Typhoon 2215H for 450 class Helicopters.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9021__Turnigy_Typhoon_450H_2215H_Heli_Motor_3550kv_450_class_.html



Brushless DC motor

Tarot 450MX (3500KV) Brushless Motor TL450MX-3500 £15.20
Brand: Tarot
Item No: 450MX
Stator dia: 22.0 mm
Stator thickness: 19.0 mm
Stator number: 12
Pole number: 8
Number of stitches: 3Turn Delta
Diameter of wire: 8-Strand 0.29mm
V speed: 3500 RPM / Volt
Non-load current: 4.0 Amps
Motor impedance: 0.021 MOhms
Weight: 77g
Motor external dia: 27.80 mm
Gear shaft mounting dia: 3.5 mm
Motor length: 37.35 mm
Shaft length: 52.5 mm
Usage: For 450 rc helicopter.

http://www.banggood.com/Tarot-450MX-3500KV-Brushless-Motor-TL450MX3500-p-927476.html


Speed controler
Red Brick 50A ESC Brushless ESC BEC:5V3A BEC50A £8.55

Color: red
Ubec: 5V/3A
Cont Current: 50A
Burst Current: 60A
Cells: 2~3s Lipoly
Size: 50mm x 32mm x 10mm
Weight: 48g (Inc Wires)


http://www.banggood.com/Red-Brick-50A-ESC-Brushless-ESC-BEC5V3A-BEC50A-p-77970.html

HobbyWing Platinum 40A PRO Brushless ESC Speed Controller For RC Model


Description:
Brand: HobbyWing £24.48
Item Name: Platinum 40A PRO Brushless ESC
Output: Continuous 40A, burst 60A up to 10 seconds.
Input Voltage: 2-6 cells lithium battery or 5-18 cells NiMH battery.
BEC: 3A, 5.25V or 6V switchable by software.
Refresh rate of the throttle signal: 50Hz to 432Hz.
Control Signal Transmission: Optical/electrical coupled system.
Max Speed: 210000rpm for 2 Poles BLM, 70000rpm for 6 poles BLM, 35000rpm for 12 poles BLM.(BLM = BrushLess Motor)
Size: 59 x 27 x 12mm


ZIPPY Compact 2200mAh 3S 35C Lipo Pack £11.58

Spec.
Capacity: 2200mAh
Voltage: 3S1P / 3 Cell / 11.1V
Discharge: 35C Constant / 45C Burst
Weight: 181g (including wire, plug & case)
Dimensions: 114x34x21mm
Balance Plug: JST-XH
Discharge Plug: XT60

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__21393__ZIPPY_Compact_2200mAh_3S_35C_Lipo_Pack.html



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:45 am
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Some good links there Burgess and useful as they are all outside of the U.K. Currently the U.K links are not so good for a Dutchman like Enemra, we do have to think internationally here. The postage is much cheaper from China to the Netherlands than from U.K. to the Netherlands.

Tom.
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